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Alistair Alexander's avatar

I'm a bit late to this -but this discussion is urgently needed. i feel the biggest risk is AI's inherent propensity towards planetary scale and the rapid growth of its infrastructure; we are essentially creating an entirely new massively heavy industry - and there willl never be enough energy and resources to meet its demand.

openAI is planning on 250GW of data centres - which is about the same as India.

In Sth Korea they are building an AI "mega-cluster" that will eventually require 16GW of electricity - a 6th of South Korea's entire grid, its water demand will be half that of Seoul.

Chris Schuck's avatar

As always I appreciate your writing, and relate strongly to all you say. But I feel compelled to mention one researcher (Andy Masley) who recently did a systematic deep dive into the hard data on AI and energy/water use, and concludes that the alarms over environmental impact from AI are at best overblown and at worst, an epic failure of science communication. For instance, he roundly debunks as myth the common claim cited at the beginning of your post, that ChatGPT uses 10x as much energy as Google Search.

To be clear, I'm not convinced he's correct (and intuitively, want to be skeptical). But it's not obvious he might *not* be correct either: his research appears exhaustive, he seems to take most objections into account, and I honestly don't know what to think anymore; this whole topic has become very confusing. Meanwhile, he's gotten lots of uptake on Substack and is definitely influencing how people think about this; Hannah Ritchie has chimed in to similar effect citing his research, for example. So at least for the environmental piece, it could be important to engage with his research at some point. Really curious what your own take might be. Links below if you're curious.

And it goes without saying, none of this speaks to the many *other* reasons to be alarmed about AI - but it would certainly be helpful to have clarity and consensus on the real environmental impacts, given these conflicting narratives.

https://andymasley.substack.com/p/ai-and-the-environment

https://andymasley.substack.com/p/empire-of-ai-is-wildly-misleading

https://open.substack.com/pub/andymasley/p/individual-ai-use-is-not-bad-for

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